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			<blockquote><title>Sir Robert Anderson and Daniel 9</title>

<hr>
<p><b>EDITOR'S NOTE:<br>
</b><i>Reader reaction to this article&nbsp;leads me to believe that I have not
made its purpose clear.&nbsp; This article does <b>not</b> seek to refute the
proposition that Daniel 9 is a genuine, predictive, prophecy.&nbsp; Rather, this
analysis merely seeks to evaluate the accuracy of one&nbsp; popular claim about
this passage's fulfillment.&nbsp; To the end of providing a positive evaluation
of the predictive prophecy itself, Steve Hinrichs has graciously allowed me to
post a <a target="_top" href="http://www.theism.net/article/17">copy of his excellent analysis</a>.&nbsp;</i></p>
<hr>
<h3 align="left"><b>Sir Robert Anderson's calculations regarding
Daniel 9<i><br>
-Paul Smith</i></b></h3>

<blockquote>
  This article assumes a working knowledge of
    the terms <u>Julian Calendar</u>, <u>Gregorian Calendar</u>, <u>JDN</u>, <u>solar day</u>,
    <u>solar year</u>, <u>revolution</u> and <u>rotation</u>.&nbsp; For introductory
    explanations and basic definitions, see:<p><a
    href="http://genealogy.org/~scottlee/cal-overview.html">http://genealogy.org/~scottlee/cal-overview.html</a>,
  <a
    href="http://genealogy.org/~scottlee/calconvert.cgi">http://genealogy.org/~scottlee/calconvert.cgi</a>
    (for calendar conversions),
    and <a
    href="http://www.capecod.net/~pbaum/date/back.htm">http://www.capecod.net/~pbaum/date/back.htm</a>.</p>
    <p><a href="http://www.execulink.com/~idris/calendar7.html">http://www.execulink.com/~idris/calendar7.html</a>
    provides information pertinent to a preliminary understanding of the difference between
    solar days and solar years.

<p align="left"><em>Criticisms and objections will be
handled, see <a href="#objections">footnote</a> at
bottom of article</em>.</p>

</blockquote>

<p><strong>Introductory premise:
</strong>A popular and frequently quoted source by amateur Christian apologists in defense
of the validity of messianic prophecy is Sir Robert Anderson of Scotland Yard, from 
his book <u><a
href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0825421152/o/qid=940456897/sr=8-2/002-1518692-2727603">The
Coming Prince</a></u>.&nbsp; Anderson finds precision in the fulfillment of <a href="http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?Daniel+9:24-27">Daniel
9:24ff</a>
by finding exactly 173,880 days, or sixty-nine &quot;weeks&quot; (&quot;sevens&quot;) of
360-day prophetic 
years, between March 14, 445 BC and April 6, AD. 32 in the Julian calendar.&nbsp;</p>

<p>This article addresses only one problem with this claim
of precision: there are not 
173,880 days between these two Julian dates; there are 173,883 (including day one). 
Anderson found his &quot;solution&quot; by subtracting three days from the result to
&quot;correct&quot; for 
the fact that there are 3 more leap years counted in the old Julian calendar than what
is required to accurately synchronize with a solar year.&nbsp; Our modern calendar,
the Gregorian, handles this more accurately by making only every fourth centennial 
year a leap year.&nbsp; It is this adjustment to his result that this article intends to
show the invalidity of.</p>

<p>Anderson's calculations are flawed primarily
because calculations of dates and years 
only need to accommodate leap year rules in a calendar when one is trying to calculate:

<ul>
  <li>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; a precise count of solar years <em>from</em>
    a span of time given in calendar days</li>
  <li>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; a precise count of calendar days <em>from</em>
    a time span given in solar years</li>
</ul>

<p>Sir Robert Anderson is not doing either of these -- he is
trying to calculate a precise count
of solar days <em>from</em> a span of time given in... solar days.&nbsp; Converting that
count of days into
solar years in order to immediately divide again and allow leap years into the calculation
is a superfluous, unnecessary and erroneous step in the process.&nbsp; The claim of precise
(to-the-day) prophetic success is based upon a prophetic year of 360 solar days of 24 hours.&nbsp;
Therefore,
one may simply count days in any calendar using whatever leap year rule that calendar
happened to implement, accurate or not relative to a solar year.&nbsp; The only criterion
is that 
you count days by accurately following the rules of the calendar you are picking the start
and
end dates in.&nbsp; I will grant without argument the legitimacy of the 360-day year, as 
well as the accuracy of Anderson's fixing of the starting and ending events as described
in
Daniel 9:24ff.&nbsp;</p>

<p>It is shown axiomatically and confirmed experimentally
below that Anderson's calculations
do not accurately count the number of solar days during the time span he claims to count.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p><strong>Identity of some terms as used herein:
  A Solar Day = </strong>24 hours, defined by an earth's rotation on its own axis<strong>
  A Solar Year = </strong>365.242199 Solar Days, defined by one earth revolution around the
  sun.</p>
</blockquote>

<hr>

<p><a name="prop1"></a><strong>Proposition 1</strong>:
One can accurately count days between two Julian Calendar
Dates using the Julian Calendar alone, without subtracting 
from the result for leap years.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Given any calendar (including the Julian, which did not
  track
  solar years accurately), one does not have to subtract any days 
  from a count between two dates in order to determine how many 
  solar days (rotations of the earth on its own axis, which is what 
  calendar days count) elapsed between the two dates.&nbsp; All you 
  need to know is the rules of that particular calendar, erroneous
  or not, which for the Julian means that a leap-day is added to every
  fourth year.</p>
  <p>A very simple example of why this is so is provided at: <a href="http://people.ce.mediaone.net/paulsmith68/DeleteDays.html" target="_blank">http://people.ce.mediaone.net/paulsmith68/DeleteDays.html</a>
  </p>
</blockquote>

<p><a name="prop2"></a><strong>Proposition 2</strong>:

The Julian Day Numbering system (which is NOT the same as Julian
Calendar Dates), or JDN, is merely a sequential count of solar days
starting with November 25, 4714 BC in the Gregorian Calendar.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>It is not meaningful to ask how JDNs deal with leap
  years, or how many leap years
  they include.&nbsp; It is also not meaningful to ask of a JDN whether that number refers
  to a Julian date or to a Gregorian date; it will have a corresponding date in <strong>both</strong>
  calendars, although those dates may be different.&nbsp; Mistakes in understanding on
  this often result from the erroneous belief that a date in the Gregorian calendar
  will coincide in time with the same date in the Julian calendar.&nbsp; This is not so;
  take 
  for example today (the day I am writing this).&nbsp; It is October 20, 1999 in the
  Gregorian calendar.&nbsp; However, it is October 7 in the Julian calendar.&nbsp; Nevertheless, the
  JDN 2451472 
  refers to today, and that JDN has counterparts in both calendars.</p>
</blockquote>

<blockquote>
  <p>So A Julian Day Number (JDN) represents a single DAY IN
  TIME, and any given event in
  time can only have happened on <strong>one JDN</strong>, it does not happen on one JDN for
  the
  Julian calendar and then on another JDN for the Gregorian calendar, since doing so
  would constitute the event being dated to two different days in time, given the definition
  of a JDN.</p>
</blockquote>

<p><a name="prop3"></a><strong>Proposition 3</strong>:

One can accurately count days elapsed between two JDNs 
by subtracting the lower JDN from the higher, without subtracting 
from the result for leap years.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>As long as I pick two dates from the <strong>same calenda</strong>r,
  I 
  can use the <strong>JDN numbers for those two dates</strong> to calculate the number 
  of days between them; no further adjustments for leap years are necessary.</p>
</blockquote>

<blockquote>
  <p>A Julian Day Number (JDN) represents a single DAY IN
  TIME.
  It does not and cannot &quot;include&quot; or &quot;exclude&quot; &quot;leap years&quot;
  because 
  there is no &quot;year&quot; in the JDN system.&nbsp; JDNs are nothing more than a 
  sequential count of days elapsed since November 25, 4714 BC 
  in the Gregorian calendar.&nbsp; JDNs are neither &quot;Julian days&quot; nor
  &quot;Gregorian days&quot; nor even &quot;Jewish days.&quot;&nbsp; JDNs are merely 
  solar days (24 hour cycles) that have elapsed since the assigned 
  starting date.</p>
  <p>When <strong>different calendars</strong> (such as the
  Julian and Gregorian) drift from each 
  other, they will have <strong>different dates corresponding to the same JDN</strong>.</p>
  <p>For instance, as I write this...
  it is <strong>JDN 2451472</strong>, 
  it is <strong>October 20, 1999</strong> in the <strong>Gregorian Calendar</strong>, 
  and it is <strong>October 7, 1999</strong> in the <strong>Julian Calendar</strong>.</p>
  <p>Thus as long as I pick two dates from the <strong>same
  calenda</strong>r (for
  example, two different Julian Calendar dates, two different 
  Gregorian dates, or two different Jewish dates) , I can
  use the JDN numbers for these two dates to calculate the number 
  of days between them; it would be erroneous to adjust this
  calculation any further to account for leap-year anomalies.</p>
  <p>A very simple example of why this is so is provided at: <a
  href="http://people.ce.mediaone.net/paulsmith68/OneNumberTwoCalendars.html">http://people.ce.mediaone.net/paulsmith68/OneNumberTwoCalendars.html</a>
  </p>
</blockquote>

<p><a name="prop4"></a><strong>Proposition 4</strong>:

A calendar's accuracy or inaccuracy with respect to solar years does
not affect the number of solar days between two dates in that calendar.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>The Julian Calendar's error in calculating leap years
  would make 
  it inaccurate only with respect to <strong>solar years</strong>, which can be defined
  either 
  with reference to the earth's revolutions around the sun, or alternately with 
  reference to the maximum of the earth's axial tilt.&nbsp; When counting the <strong>solar
  days</strong>
  (rotations of the earth on its own axis, which correspond directly to calendar dates) 
  between <strong>Julian calendar dates</strong>, that calendar's inaccuracy with
  maintaining
  synchronicity with <strong>solar years<em> </em></strong>is irrelevant to the math.</p>
</blockquote>

<p><a name="prop5"></a><strong>Proposition 5</strong>:
It follows from 1, 2 and 3 that every calendar will count the same number
of solar days between the same two physical days in time.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>If propositions 1, 2 and 3 are true, then <strong>every
  calendar </strong>should yield the
  <strong>same count of dates </strong>between two <strong>days in time</strong> when one
  determines 
  the <strong>rules of the calendar</strong>, and the <strong>date that the calendar
  assigned to the 
  two physical days in time</strong> (which can be referenced by JDN).&nbsp; One must not
  forget 
  that two calendars can assign differing dates to the same physical day in time; 
  I will repeat the example:</p>
  <p>as I write this...
  it is <strong>JDN 2451472</strong>, it is <strong>October 20, 1999</strong> in the <strong>Gregorian Calenda</strong>r,
  
  and it is <strong>October 7, 1999</strong> in the <strong>Julian Calendar</strong>.
  </p>
</blockquote>

<p><a name="prop6"></a><strong>Proposition 6</strong>:
We are in possession of Anderson's starting date, ending date,
and the rules of the calendars in question; the result is 173,883,
and it is immutable.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p><strong>ANDERSON'S START DATE:
  JDN: </strong><u>1558960</u> 
  <strong>Julian Calendar: </strong><u>Mar 14, 445 BC </u>
  <strong>Gregorian Calendar: </strong><u>Mar 9, 445 BC</u> </strong>
  <u>1558960</u> 
  <strong>Julian Calendar: </strong><u>Mar 14, 445 BC </u>
  <strong>Gregorian Calendar: </strong><u>Mar 9, 445 BC</u> 
  <u>1558960</u> 
  <strong>Julian Calendar: </strong><u>Mar 14, 445 BC </u>
  <strong>Gregorian Calendar: </strong><u>Mar 9, 445 BC</u></p>
  <p><strong>ANDERSON'S END DATE:
  JDN: </strong><u>1732842</u> 
  <strong>Julian Calendar: </strong><u>Apr 6, 32 AD</u>
  <strong>Gregorian Calendar: </strong><u>Apr 4, 32 AD</u> </strong>
  <u>1732842</u> 
  <strong>Julian Calendar: </strong><u>Apr 6, 32 AD</u>
  <strong>Gregorian Calendar: </strong><u>Apr 4, 32 AD</u> 
  <u>1732842</u> 
  <strong>Julian Calendar: </strong><u>Apr 6, 32 AD</u>
  <strong>Gregorian Calendar: </strong><u>Apr 4, 32 AD</u></p>
  <p>Since we have established in proposition 2 that using the
  JDN system will yield an accurate count, we can simply
  subtract 1558960 from 1732842 (and add 1 since we are
  including the first day in the number of days elapsed).</p>
  <p>Therefore, 1558960 - 1732842 = 173,882, and
  173,882 + 1 = <strong>173,883</strong>.</p>
  <p>Propositions 2, 3 and 4 have shown that no adjustments to
  this number are necessary or warranted; to alter the result
  according to how many Julian Leap Years did not occur in
  either a <strong>solar yea</strong>r or in the <strong>Gregorian Calendar</strong> is to
  miscount
  the actual number of <strong>solar days</strong> elapsed between the two
  physical days in time.</p>
</blockquote>

<p><a name="prop7"></a><strong>Proposition 7</strong>:
We can achieve further experimental confirmation of propositions 
5 and 6 by physically counting the dates each calendar includes between
JDN 1558960 and JDN 1732842.&nbsp; Doing this experiment confirms
that all calendars coincide in counting 173,883 elapsed days for
the time span in question.</p>

<blockquote>
  <blockquote>
    <p><em>It will be necessary to download a file to view the
    experimental
    confirmation results.&nbsp; You can obtain this file at: <a href="../public/anderson.zip">www.theism.net/public/anderson.zip</a>.&nbsp;
    See the readme for output instructions.
    The text file it creates (called &quot;anderson.txt&quot; ) is a table consisting of an 
    enumeration of every Julian Date, Gregorian Date, Jewish Date, and JDN,
    for the period in question, with the respective Day of Week listed as well.</em></p>
  </blockquote>
  <p>An examination of this table will confirm the following:</p>
  <p>a) Every date is accurately and sequentially enumerated
  in the Jewish Calendar*
  b) Every date is accurately and sequentially enumerated in the Julian Calendar
  c) Every date is accurately and sequentially enumerated in the Gregorian Calendar
  d) Every date is accurately and sequentially enumerated in the JDN System
  e) Each line of the table has correct associations between the corresponding Julian Date, 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Gregorian Date, Jewish Date and JDN.
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [f through i: Including the first enumerated day...]
  f)&nbsp; ...there are 173,883 enumerated dates in the Jewish Calendar
  g) ...there are 173,883 enumerated dates in the Julian&nbsp; Calendar
  h) ...there are 173,883 enumerated dates in the Gregorian Calendar
  i)&nbsp; ...there are 173,883 enumerated dates in the JDN System</p>
  <p>Since a) through i) are true, propositions 5 &amp; 6 are
  experimentally confirmed.</p>
  <p>*Jewish dates were often observationally set, rather than
  following a strict
  algorithm.&nbsp; Therefore, no calculations in this article are based on the Jewish
  dates due to probable inaccuracies with them.</p>
</blockquote>

<p><a name="prop8"></a><strong>Proposition 8</strong>:
We can achieve even more experimental confirmation of propositions 
5 and 6 by physically counting the LEAP dates and NON LEAP DATES
each calendar includes between JDN 1558960 and JDN 1732842.
Doing this experiment confirms that the &quot;extra&quot; leap days in the Julian
Calendar for the period are offset by an absence of an equal number of
non-leap days; thus, any further adjustment to the result is superflous.</p>

    <p><em>(This also refers to computations performed on the
    above mentioned file;
    computations were performed in Microsoft Access.&nbsp; <a href="http://theism.net/anderson_sql.htm">Click here</a> for
    instructions
    on how to do this yourself.)</em></p>

  <p>An examination of this table will confirm the following
  for the period between Anderson's start and end dates:</p>


  <blockquote>
    <div align="center">
      <table border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0">
        <tr>
          <td>
            <p align="right"><b><strong>START:</strong></b></td>
          <center>
          <td><strong>
  JDN:  </strong><u>1558960</u></td>
          <td><strong>Julian Calendar: </strong><u>Mar 14, 445 BC</u></td>
          <td><strong> Gregorian Calendar: </strong><u>Mar 9, 445
    BC</u> </td>
          </tr>
        </center>
        <tr>
          <td>
            <p align="right"><strong>END:</strong></td>
          <center>
          <td><strong>JDN:  </strong>
  <u>1732842</u></td>
          <td><strong>Julian Calendar: </strong><u>Apr 6, 32 AD</u></td>
          <td><strong>Gregorian Calendar: </strong><u>Apr 4, 32 AD</u> </td>
          </tr>
        </table>
      </center>
    </div>
  </blockquote>
<p>There are <strong>119 LEAP DAYS</strong> in the <strong>Julian
  calendar</strong> for the period between Julian March 14, 445 BC and Julian
  April 6, 32 AD.
  There are <strong>173,764 NON-LEAP DAYS</strong> in the <strong>Julian
  calendar</strong> for the period between Julian March 14, 445 BC and Julian
  April 6, 32 AD.&nbsp;</p>
<p>
  <strong>119 + 173,764 = <u>173,883</u></strong></p>
<p>There are <strong>116 LEAP DAYS</strong> in the <strong>Gregorian
  calendar</strong> for the period between Gregorian March 9, 445 BC and
  Gregorian April 4, 32 AD.
  There are <strong>173,767 NON-LEAP DAYS</strong> in the <strong>Gregorian
  calendar</strong> for the period between Gregorian March 9, 445 BC and
  Gregorian April 4, 32 AD.&nbsp;</p>
<p>
  <strong>173,767 + 116 = <u>173,883</u></strong></p>
  <p>Thus it is further experimentally confirmed that the leap
  year differences
  between the inaccurate Julian calendar and the more-accurate Gregorian
  calendar cancel each other out.&nbsp; We can see that there are an identical
  number of calendar days between the two physical days in time in both 
  calendars, and that this number is in fact 173,883.&nbsp; Thus two separate methods confirm propositions 5 &amp; 6, and thus the final result.</p>

<p><strong>Conclusion</strong>:
Sir Anderson erred by subtracting three days from his result to account
for the three Julian Leap years that do not occur in the Gregorian calendar
and mis-track the solar year.&nbsp; The prophetic success of his calculations was 
never based on solar years in the first place, but rather on 360-day &quot;prophetic&quot;
years which he finds Biblical support for.&nbsp; Thus, we must count <strong>solar</strong>
<strong>days</strong> 
and divide by 360 rather than counting solar or axial years. &nbsp; The sixty-nine 
&quot;sevens&quot; of Daniel 9 is reasonably interpreted to mean some sort of seven-year 
period, so 69 x 7 x 360 of Anderson's years would be 173,880 days.</p>

<p>The legitimacy of the 360-day year can be granted without
argument.
The problem is that in using a year consisting of 360 solar days, it becomes
irrelevant whether or not the calendar used to count the days accurately
maintains synchronicity with the solar or axial year; these calendars could
miscalculate solar years by 11 months, and yet we could accurately
count the number of solar days between two calendar dates without
having to account for anything related to the duration of a solar or axial year.</p>

<p>The unfortunate result of this is that Anderson's
oft-quoted calculations which
find <strong>precision</strong> in the fulfillment of Daniel 9:24ff are erroneous.&nbsp;
Thinking Christians
should analyze this data very carefully -- we have a responsibility to think soberly
before offering anecdotal confirmation of our faith which we do not know is true.
Christians should be among the first to eschew dogmatic obstinacy and welcome
honest analysis.</p>

<p>This article remains open to criticism.&nbsp; I do not
expect such a popular document 
as Anderson's work to be discarded flippantly; however, I am extremely
confident that the above analysis leaves no room for other conclusions.&nbsp; It should
also be noted that even without this particular finding of error, many Christian
scholars find this research of Anderson's flawed in other ways; thus, acceptance
of Anderson as a reliable source is hardly universal within Evangelical Christendom.
Many well-studied Christians find altogether different scenarios more plausible 
for evaluating this prophetic success; I list two web references below (these pose 
entirely different scenarios for computing Daniel's &quot;69 weeks&quot;):</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>from <a
  href="http://www.themoorings.org/apologetics/69weeks/weeks1.html">http://www.themoorings.org/apologetics/69weeks/weeks1.html</a>:
  [...by treating each week of the sixty-nine as seven 360-day years, Sir Robert Anderson
  calculated that the period of weeks came to a close on April 6, AD 32; Sir Robert
  Anderson, <i>The Coming Prince, </i>10th ed. (repr., Grand Rapids, Mich.: Kregel
  Publications, 1984), 127. [...] Unfortunately, Anderson made several errors. [...H]e
  guessed that Nisan 1 was March 14 (ibid., 123). Actually, it was April 13[!]; Richard A.
  Parker and Waldo H. Dubberstein, <i>Babylonian Chronology 626 BC-AD 75</i> (Providence,
  RI: Brown University Press, 1956) 
  [This author goes on to elucidate problems with the crucifixion date as well]</p>
  <p>from <a href="http://www.sentex.net/~tcc/dan70.html">http://www.sentex.net/~tcc/dan70.html</a>:
  [...one cannot assume, &quot;the Jewish year had only 360 days&quot; for interpreting
  Daniel's 70 Weeks prophecy. The old year ended and a new one began at a new moon, not
  after so many days had elapsed, as in our calendars. This fact appears to undermine the
  interpretation of the 70 Weeks of Daniel popularized by Sir Robert Anderson, ingenious
  though it may be.&nbsp;</p>
</blockquote>

<p>We must not be obstinate about contending for falsehoods.
&nbsp; I personally have chosen 
the Christian faith in part because I feel it is a choice that is rationally justifiable
by the 
available data.&nbsp; Many others have done the same.&nbsp; The world will be far less
inclined 
to even consider following in our footsteps if we show ourselves to be unteachable 
when facts disagree with some favorable assumption.&nbsp; Friends, it's time we put this
claim to rest and stopped quoting the &quot;to-the-day&quot; precision of Sir Robert
Anderson's 
calculations as a reason to believe.&nbsp;</p>

<p>God bless,
Paul C. Smith
October 20, 1999</p>

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