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<title>Why I Believe in the Trinity</title>

        <hr>
        <h3 ALIGN="left">Why I believe in
        the Trinity<i><br>
        -by Jeff
          Kvistad</i></h3>
<p ALIGN="left">I believe the doctrine of the Trinity is the best
        understanding of the nature of God and of Christ in the light of the
        whole counsel of Scripture. This doctrine did not originate with the
        Athanasian or the Nicene Creed, but rather those creeds <u>resulted from</u>
        the best understanding of the Scriptural evidence during the first three
        centuries of the Church.</p>
       
        <hr>

        <b><u>
        <p>Definitions</p>
        </u><i>
        <p>Definition of Trinity:</i></b> Father, Son and Holy Spirit – one
        God. There are 3 persons each with his own identity and role, but they
        are One God – one in substance, essence – worthy of equal worship.
        Each person is equal in status, power, and eternality (uncreatedness).
        Each is a distinct personality, but they relate to and are intertwined
        with each other in one divine nature. Like the teaching commonly
        attributed to St. Patrick – a clover has 3 leaves, but it is one
        clover. Likewise, a rope may have three cords, but it is one rope.</p>
        <b><i>
        <p>My understanding of Jehovah’s Witness (&quot;JW&quot;) teaching: </i></b>Jesus
        is not the Great God, or YHWH of the OT Scriptures, but rather His son -
        a lesser, created divine being. As such, he has divine attributes, but
        he is not equal to the Father in status, power, or worship. I have also
        heard that JWs somehow ultimately link Jesus with the Archangel Michael,
        but I am not sure how this works. Although I am not familiar with JW
        teaching on the Holy Spirit, my guess would be that you would understand
        the HS to not be a separate personality, but rather the
        &quot;spirit&quot; or will or power of YHWH.</p>
        <p>[Incidentally, I have read portions of the JW version of the Bible,
        the New World Translation (&quot;NWT&quot;), but I do not have it in
        front of me as I write this. I do have the Greek New Testament which I
        learned to read in seminary.]</p>
        <b><u>
        <p>Thesis</p>
        </u></b>
        <p>I believe that Scripture shows that Jesus Christ is equal to God the
        Father in the essence of Godhood – that he is the eternal (uncreated)
        God – Jehovah - and that he is worthy of the same honor and worship as
        the Father. The idea of the Trinity also means, however, that Jesus is a
        separate person who loves, serves, and ‘stands at the right hand of’
        his God and Father. For this paper, I will focus only on Jesus; there
        are Scriptures on the Holy Spirit, but I will not be referring to these.</p>
        <p>I will do this first by setting the stage with a preliminary review
        of (a) the Hebrew word YHWH, (b) the Septuagint, and (c) the definite
        articles in Greek. Second, I will look at how the New Testament authors
        used OT Scriptures of YHWH and applied them to Jesus. Thirdly, I will
        open the whole Scripture and cite what are to me the most powerful texts
        in support of the Trinity. Then I will consider Scriptures which raise
        questions about Jesus’ equality with the Father, and finally, I will
        make some concluding comments.</p>
        <p><b><u>Setting the Stage</p>
        </u></b>
        <blockquote>
          <p>The meaning of YHWH</p>
        </blockquote>
        <p>The Tetragammaton, or the most holy name of God, is a form of the
        verb ‘to be’ so that God’s name is literally, &quot;I AM.&quot;
        This was the name he told Moses at the burning bush, &quot;I AM who I
        AM&quot; and &quot;Tell them I AM has sent you.&quot; It is truly the
        only accurate name of God since in all the universe He is the only
        self-existent One, the One who has been and forever will be through all
        eternity. So holy was this name that the Jews feared to say it directly
        and to ‘cover’ its glory used the vowel points for the Hebrew word
        &quot;adonai&quot; which has resulted in the pronunciation ‘Jehovah,’
        rather than YahWey, which would usually be required by the four Hebrew
        consonants.</p>
        <blockquote>
          <p>The Septuagint</p>
        </blockquote>
        <p>Crucial to our discussion is the Septuagint. This is the Greek
        translation of the Hebrew Scriptures which was made over a century <u>before</u>
        Christ (my recollection is 165 B.C.) by, according to tradition, 70
        Jewish scholars (hence the name, <u>Sept</u>uagint). This translation is
        crucial to our discussion because these are the Scriptures used by the
        New Testament (&quot;NT&quot;) authors when they quoted the Old
        Testament (&quot;OT&quot;). These are the Scriptures that Paul quotes in
        his letters. The vocabulary of this Scripture was the vocabulary used by
        the first century Greek-speaking Jews and Gentiles who became believers
        in Christ.</p>
        <p>When the Septuagint scholars translated the Hebrew YHWH into Greek,
        the word they chose was Kyrios, or Lord. (It was this precedent, by the
        way, which English translators, including the King James translators,
        used when they translated YHWH into Lord – but in order to distinguish
        it, capitalized it LORD.)</p>
        <blockquote>
          <p>The definite articles in Greek</p>
        </blockquote>
        <p>Greek has two definite articles: o and to. One is just as
        &quot;strong&quot; as the other. The first one, o (pronounced, haw), is
        used in the subjective part of the sentence (that part of the sentence
        which identifies the actor). The second, to (pronounced taw), and its
        declensions tov, tou, and tw are used in the predicate (that part of the
        sentence that is ‘acted upon;’ in English it typically comes after
        the verb). The declensions indicate different cases: tov (pronounced
        tahn) is the direct object, tw (pronounced toe) is the indirect object,
        and tou (pronounced too) is the genitive case. (In English we would use
        it as the possessive.) This is more than we need to know for this paper,
        but I thought you might be wondering why there are three versions of to.</p>
        <b>
        <p>New Testament used OT Scriptures of YHWH and applied them to Jesus.</p>
        <p>Romans 10:13:</b> &quot;Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord
        will be saved.&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: In this familiar verse from Romans 10, the Apostle
            Paul is actually quoting the OT Prophet Joel (verse 2:32). In
            Hebrew, this text in Joel is &quot;Everyone who calls on the name of
            YHWH will be saved.&quot; But since Paul was using the Greek
            translation of the Scriptures, he writes, &quot;the name of the Lord
            (kyrios)..&quot; For Paul, then, the Greek word kyrios was
            synonymous with YHWH. Now I suppose you could say that Paul is
            saying, &quot;Everyone who calls on the name of YHWH will be
            saved,&quot; but given how often Jesus is referred to as Lord both
            in this chapter in Romans and throughout the NT, it is very likely
            that Paul actually had in mind Jesus when he quoted this verse from
            Joel.</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <p>Now move to this verse:</p>
        <b>
        <p>Romans 10:9:</b> &quot;That if you confess with your mouth,
        &quot;Jesus is Lord,&quot; and believe in your heart that God raised him
        from the dead, you will be saved.&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: The earliest statement of belief, or creed, of the
            first century Christians was &quot;Jesus is Lord.&quot; When the
            Greek-speaking Jews said this, they were using the same vocabulary
            as the Greek Scriptures, and by doing so, they were making the
            radical claim, &quot;Jesus is Jehovah.&quot; This is why they were
            kicked out of the synagogues, why they were so hated and persecuted.
            It seemed to be the ultimate blasphemy, claiming that a man, Jesus,
            was the Eternal One.</p>
            <p>This reading of &quot;Jesus is Lord&quot; may come as quite a
            surprise to you. Certainly the word ‘Lord’ is often used in
            connection with Jesus throughout the New Testament, too many times
            for me to list. No doubt, Jehovah’s Witnesses have treated this
            title as a term of rank or respect, much like, I imagine, the title
            &quot;Lord&quot; is used in Britain. I could imagine a JW teacher
            saying that while there are many &quot;Lords&quot; in England, there
            is only one King (or Queen, presently). And certainly the Greek word
            <u>kyrios</u> is also used in the New Testament as a term for
            master. The owners of the demon-possessed slavegirl in Acts are
            called <u>kyrioi</u>. But the exclamation, &quot;____ is Lord&quot;
            was in a different category in the first century Greek-speaking
            world. Whatever was named as Lord was an object of worship, not just
            respect. It was this phrase that got Jewish Christians thrown out of
            synagogues and Jewish and Gentile Christians killed for refusing to
            say, &quot;Caesar is Lord.&quot; (&quot;O Kaisaros O Kyrios&quot;)</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <p>Another application of YHWH to Jesus is found in:</p>
        <b>
        <p>Philippians 2:10-11:</b> &quot;that at the name of Jesus every knee
        should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue
        confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: Here once again Paul has the words of OT Scripture
            in mind, specifically, when YHWH speaks through the Prophet Isaiah
            (45:23), &quot;Before Me every knee will bow; by Me every tongue
            will swear (or confess).&quot; While I suppose you might say that
            the Philippians verse is not clear to whom every knee should bow –
            to Jesus or to the Father – it is clear what the confession of the
            tongue will be, &quot;Jesus is Lord,&quot; a confession that YHWH
            says to Isaiah is &quot;by Me&quot; or &quot;of Me.&quot;</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <b>
        <p>Hebrews 1:10:</b> &quot;He also says, ‘In the beginning, O Lord,
        you laid the foundations of the earth and the heavens are the work of
        your hands.’&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: In the first chapter of Hebrews, the author is
            attempting to prove the superiority of Jesus by citing OT scriptures
            and applying them to Jesus. The author shows that Jesus: is called
            God’s Son (by citing Ps. 2:7 and II Sam. 7:14); is worshipped by
            angels (Deuteronomy 32:43); is forever (Ps. 45:6-7); and is the
            creator of the heavens and the earth (Ps. 102:25-27).</p>
            <p>This is all fine (Witnesses may even agree with me, I don’t
            know), but these OT Scriptures are either addressed to or spoken by
            YHWH. <u>The writer of Hebrews is applying them to Jesus</u>. Verse
            10 should be particularly troublesome to Witnesses because Ps.
            102:25-27 is clearly addressed to YHWH, and yet the author of
            Hebrews is saying that the Psalmist is talking about Jesus.</p>
            <p>But the most striking application of YHWH to Jesus is made by
            Jesus himself:</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <b>
        <p>John 8:58:</b> &quot;Before Abraham was born, I AM.&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: I suppose the New World Translation would have to
            tone this down, perhaps, &quot;I was before Abraham.&quot; (I don’t
            have a NWT in front of me.) But the Greek here is unequivocal - ‘ego
            eimi’ - a clear I AM like the pounding of two thunderbolts. In
            Greek ‘eimi’ is all that’s required to say a less emphatic,
            ‘I’m.’ <u>And we know what the word YHWH means</u>. Even if
            you throw out Greek grammar, the Jews clearly understood what he
            meant for verse 59 says, &quot;they picked up stones to stone
            him.&quot; If he meant anything less than the most holy name of God,
            they would have looked at him quizzically; instead, they were
            enraged to the point of killing him.</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <b><u>
        <p>Other Powerful Scriptures in Support of the Trinity</p>
        </u>
        <p>Isaiah 9:6 -</b> &quot;For to us a child is born, to us a Son is
        given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be
        called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of
        Peace.&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: Here prophecy identifies the promised child as the
            Mighty God, even the Everlasting Father. I don’t know how JWs
            would respond to this.</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <b>
        <p>John 1:1 -</b> &quot;The Word was God.&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: I know that JWs use the fact that the Greek word for
            God (theos) here is anarthrus (without the definite article), and so
            the New World Translation translates this verse as &quot;was a
            god&quot;. But this is really not an accurate understanding of the
            Greek. In my Greek class 10 years ago, I learned about Caldwell's
            Rule which states that nouns in the predicate position do not
            require the definite article to be definite. (While I remember that
            much, I’m sorry that I cannot tell you anything more about the
            rule or even who Caldwell was.)</p>
            <p>Besides, I don’t think we need to know Caldwell or his fine
            point of Greek grammar because as we read the rest of the Gospel we
            find that John frequently drops the definite article for God in
            contexts that only make sense if he is speaking about The God.</p>
            <p>Just read the following verses:</p>
            <p>1:6 &quot;There came a man who was sent from God…&quot;</p>
            <p>1:12 &quot;he gave the right to become children of God…&quot;</p>
            <p>1:13 &quot;children born not of …but born of God…&quot;</p>
            <p>1:18 &quot;No one has ever seen God.&quot;</p>
            <p>In each of these verses, the word God (theos) is used <u>without</u>
            the definite article. I don’t know how the NWT translates these,
            but to me the context is clear - each of these refer to God with a
            capital G. Reading these verses using &quot;a god&quot; just does
            not make sense.</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <p>Now back to Hebrews chapter 1 for a verse which clearly refers to
        Jesus <u>and</u> uses the definite article for God.</p>
        <b>
        <p>Hebrews 1:8:</b> &quot;But about the Son, he says, &quot;Your throne,
        O God, will last forever and ever, and righteous will be the scepter of
        your kingdom.&quot;</p>
        <i>
        <p>Comment</i>: I don’t know how JWs explain this verse. It clearly is
        addressed to the Son – Jesus – and in Greek the address is clear: o
        theos. The o is <u>the definite article in Greek</u>. I hope Witnesses
        do not read this as &quot;Oh&quot; because that would be reading English
        into the Greek. English translators have inserted &quot;O&quot; because
        in English it is common to use that utterance as part of a direct
        address, but that is clearly not the Greek in this case. No, the Greek
        here is unmistakable: &quot;Your throne, (definite article) God, will
        last forever and ever…&quot;</p>
        <p>To prove this point, look at verse 9:</p>
        <b>
        <p>Verse 1:9: </b>&quot;…therefore God, your God, has set you above
        your companions…&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: I’m sure Witnesses read this as God with a capital
            G, and yet the construction is the same: o theos, o theos sou
            (&quot;God, your God&quot;). The definite article, o, is used before
            theos. My question, then, is how Witnesses read verse 8 since it is
            clearly speaking about the Son and has the same construction.</p>
            <p>Another interesting verse is the following:</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <b>
        <p>Acts 20:28</b> &quot;…the church of God, which he purchased with
        his own blood.&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: This should be a particularly troublesome verse for
            JWs. Not only does it use the definite article (&quot;tou theou&quot;)
            when referring to God, but it also links it with &quot;his own
            blood.&quot; Since Jesus is the only divine being which could be
            said to have shed blood, Jesus must also be The God.</p>
            <p>I think this is enough to show that the attempt to distinguish
            between theos with or without the definite article falls apart.
            Besides, Jews in the first century would find it repulsive to talk
            about God and god since they were radically monotheistic. There is
            no god but YHWH.</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <p>Now going on to other verses:</p>
        <b>
        <p>Hebrews 1:3</b> &quot;The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and
        the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his
        powerful word, having made purification of sins he sat down at the right
        hand of the majesty in the highest.&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: Seems pretty clear to me; I don’t know how the NWT
            would handle this verse. The Greek word which is translated here
            &quot;exact representation&quot; is xarakter, from which we get our
            word, character, and it refers to an engraved character or impress
            made by a die or seal to authenticate an &quot;exact
            reproduction.&quot; (Bauer, Arndt, Gringrich: A Greek-English
            Lexicon of the New Testament, University of Chicago Press.)</p>
            <p>
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          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <b>
        <p>Colosians 1:15</b> &quot;He is the image of the invisible God, the
        firstborn over all creation.&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <i>
          <p>Comment</i>: The first part of the verse is powerfully Trinitarian;
          I’m sure that Witnesses, however, quickly point out the second part
          of the verse and say that Christ was the &quot;firstborn&quot; of all
          creation, meaning that he was a created being. But the Greek term for
          firstborn – &quot;prwtotokos&quot; – has the emphasis of ‘preeminent
          position,’ rather than born. In first century culture and in some
          cultures today, the firstborn son had the preeminent position or
          rights to the inheritance. It is this emphasis and the translation it
          implies – &quot;preeminent over all creation&quot; that correctly
          understands the verse; otherwise what would John 17:5 mean?</p>
          <p>&quot;…Father, glorify me with the glory that I had with you
          before the world began.&quot;</p>
          <blockquote>
            <p>The Greek word for world – kosmos – has the meaning of world
            or universe - the whole created order. If Christ is part of the
            created order, how could he then share glory with the Father <u>before</u>
            the kosmos began?</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <b>
        <p>Colosians 2:9</b> &quot;For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity
        dwells in bodily form.&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: The Greek is particularly strong here – <u>all the
            fullness</u> of divinity or Godhood. The word divinity here –
            Theoths (pronounced thaotace) - even has the definite article if JWs
            are still looking for it, and it has the emphasis of divine nature
            or essence, according to my Greek Linguistic Key.</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <b>
        <p>Philipians 2:6</b> &quot;Christ Jesus…Who, being in the form of
        God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but
        made himself nothing...&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: When I was in college, a Witness used this verse to
            try to persuade me that Jesus was not equal to God. But I think this
            verse is a perfect support for and illustration of the Trinity - it
            all depends on what you have in mind when you read the word
            &quot;grasped.&quot; For the JW, ‘grasped’ has the meaning of
            &quot;to reach for&quot; as in reaching for something that one does
            not currently have. For the Trinitarian, ‘grasped’ means
            &quot;held onto,&quot; as in &quot;did not consider his equality
            with God something to be held onto,&quot; or as the most
            knowledgeable Greek scholar I know put it, &quot;as something to be
            exploited.&quot; I believe the context of the passage supports the
            Trinitarian reading.</p>
            <p>This is because there is a clear movement in the passage from
            glory to humility, or from one state to another. The passage begins
            with the confession that Jesus was in the very form of God.
            Therefore, he already possessed the status of God. He did not,
            however, consider his equality with God something to be exploited,
            or held onto, but emptied himself, taking on the form of a servant.</p>
            <p>By the way, Witnesses run into hopeless trouble in these verses
            if they are still trying to distinguish a difference between <u>theos</u>
            with and without the definite article because <u>both occurrences of
            theos in 2:6 are without the definite article</u>. In other words,
            if the NWT says, &quot;in the form of a god&quot; (which I think it
            does), then the whole passage must say, &quot;though he was in the
            form of a god, he did not consider equality with <u>a god</u>
            something to be grasped.&quot; This would make Christ schizophrenic.</p>
            <p>However, the Witness who talked to me in college used this verse
            to say that it was God - with a capital G - that Christ was not
            grasping equality with. But the Greek text does not say that. There
            is no definite article before the second theos.</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <b>
        <p>John 14:9</b> &quot;He who has seen me has seen the Father.&quot;</p>
        <b>
        <p>John 10:30</b> &quot;I and the Father are one.&quot;</p>
        <i>
        <p>Comment</i>: Now even Trinitarians distinguish between the Father and
        the Son, but Christ says that there is such a close identity between him
        and the Father that he says that seeing him is seeing the Father. This
        agrees with and illustrates such verses as Colossians 1:15, Hebrews 1:3,
        and John 1:18. In 10:30, Christ makes the claim that he and the Father
        are one.</p>
        <p>I know that Witnesses use the following verses to interpret these
        identity or oneness passages.</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <p>&quot;On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and
            you are in me and I am in you.&quot; <b>John 14:20
            </b>
            </p>
            <p>&quot;That all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me
            and I am in you.&quot; <b>John 17:21
            </b>
            </p>
            <p>&quot;That they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in
            me.&quot; <b>John 17:22-23</b>.</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <p>Witnesses probably say that Jesus’ unity with the Father is the
        same as the unity believers in YHWH should have. Witnesses look around
        and see different individual believers who might love and serve one
        another and who are in agreement with the purposes of God but who are
        still separate individuals. There is no need to make them
        &quot;one&quot; person.</p>
        <p>But I don’t think this interpretation then would be faithful to all
        the other verses we have seen which show that Christ is unique,
        superior, and even God (with and without the definite article).
        Moreover, look at the <u>direction</u> of Christ’s prayers. He was
        praying <u>for</u> the human beings who were to believe in him. He was
        projecting the love and unity He experienced with the Father to be the
        experience of believers who were to follow. Christ was not thanking the
        Father that he had the kind of relationship with Him as believers have
        with each other.</p>
        <p>Personally applying these verses, I can tell you with a straight face
        that Christ is <i>in</i> me. He lives in me; His word transforms my
        heart and mind; and I seek to love and serve others in unity with God’s
        will. But if I told you that I am the image of the invisible God, or
        that when you look at me you see the Father, or that I shared glory with
        the Father before the beginning of the world, I think at the very least
        you should start giving me more Outstandings in my appraisals. (Or, more
        likely, you would just start to look at me a little strangely.)</p>
        <b>
        <p>John 5:18: </b>&quot;not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was
        even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: The Jews did not misunderstand him for they
            &quot;tried all the harder to kill him.&quot; He was committing the
            ultimate blasphemy. If Jesus was only claiming what Witnesses say of
            him, it would be hard to understand the Jews’ anger.</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <b>
        <p>John 5:23:</b> &quot;…that all may honor the Son just as they honor
        the Father.&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: Seems pretty clear to me.</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <b>
        <p>John 20:28:</b> &quot;Thomas said to him, &quot;My Lord and my
        God.&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: The only way I can imagine Witnesses getting around
            this clear confession of faith by Thomas is to say that Thomas was
            making an exclamation like, &quot;Oh, my God!&quot; when he saw the
            risen Christ. But an exclamation of surprise does not fit with Jesus’
            response, &quot;Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed
            are those who have not seen and yet have believed.&quot; Jesus
            clearly understood Thomas’s statement as a confession of belief,
            not surprise.</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <b>
        <p>Titus 2:13</b>: …the glorious appearing of our Great God and
        Savior, Jesus Christ.</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: My guess would be that JWs interpret this Scripture
            to be &quot;the glorious appearing of our Great God, and our Savior,
            Jesus Christ,&quot; as if it will be the appearing of two different
            individuals. But in Greek the phrases &quot;tou megalou theou&quot;
            (of the Great God) and &quot;Ihsou Xristou&quot; are in the same
            genitive case, indicating that they hang together as one phrase.
            Here, then, Jesus Christ is clearly identified as &quot;the Great
            God.&quot; It seems like this would be an insurmountable problem for
            Witnesses.</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <b>
        <p>Romans 9:5</b> &quot;…and from them (the Jews) is Christ according
        to the flesh, who is God over all.&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <p>Comment: The Greek has an interesting construction here. Recall
            that o is the definite article in the subjective part of a sentence.
            When there are two o’s in parallel they identify the same subject,
            so the Greek phrase:</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <p>O Xristos to kata sarka, O wn epi pantwn theos.</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <p>is properly translated, &quot;… Christ according to the flesh,
            who is the God over all.&quot; God over all – complete with the
            definite article!</p>
            <b>
            <p>
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        </p>
            </blockquote>
          </blockquote>
          <p>Scriptures raising questions about the equality of Jesus to the
          Father.</p>
          <p>John 20:17</b>: &quot;I am returning to my Father and your Father,
          to my God and your God.&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: No doubt, a JW would ask, &quot;how can Jesus call
            his Father, ‘my God,’ if he is one and the same with Him?&quot;
            In calling someone &quot;my God&quot; does this not imply that the
            other is greater than you?</p>
            <p>My response is that surely when Jesus calls the Father &quot;my
            God&quot; it is not from the same vantage point that you or I call
            him &quot;my God.&quot; This is plain from the verses I have cited
            in the first nine pages of this paper. In addition, the issue of the
            Father as the God of Jesus is also faced in Hebrews 1:8-9.</p>
            <blockquote>
              <b>
              <p>Hebrews 1: 8-9</b> &quot;But about the Son he says, &quot;Your
              throne, O (definite article) God, will last for ever and ever and
              righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved
              righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore, God, your God, has
              set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of
              joy.&quot;</p>
            </blockquote>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <p>Here in one passage of the New Testament quoting the Old Testament is
        the problem of two Gods, each with the definite article. The doctrine of
        the Trinity says that Jesus is a separate person who can say that he
        loves and serves his God and Father, but in essence – substance - they
        are One God. Because of Hebrews 1:8-9, I think the problem of Jesus
        calling the Father &quot;my God&quot; is more of a problem for Witnesses
        than Trinitarians since Witnesses do not recognize that Jesus is God -
        with a capital G.</p>
        <p>Still, it seems like a quandary – how can Jesus call the Father his
        &quot;God&quot; and yet be in essence equal to Him? Recall the quandary
        Jesus posed to the Pharisees: &quot;How can David’s Son be David’s
        Lord?&quot; I believe the same quandary is faced here. But I believe
        that to be faithful to all of Scripture, we need to affirm that Jesus
        calls the Father his God and also that he &quot;makes himself equal to
        God.&quot; (John 5:18)</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <blockquote>
              <blockquote>
                <b>
                <p>John 14:28</b> &quot;…you would be glad that I am going to
                the Father for the Father is greater than me.&quot;</p>
              </blockquote>
            </blockquote>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: The question between Trinitarians and Witnesses is
            whether the phrase, &quot;greater than me&quot; refers to a state of
            glory or state of being. Based on all the other passages I have
            discussed, I think the state of glory is the more accurate
            understanding. Again, putting this into the context of all the other
            verses we have seen it is clear why Jesus would say this. His time
            on earth was a time of humility and suffering. We learn from
            Philippians 2 that he &quot;emptied himself&quot; of the glory he
            shared with the Father before the world began (John 17:5) . Jesus
            told his disciples that if they loved him, they should be glad that
            he was going to the Father because, as we learn in later Scripture,
            he would resume his place of glory at the throne of the Father
            (Revelation 5:12).</p>
            <blockquote>
              <blockquote>
                <b>
                <p>Mark 10:18</b> &quot;Why do you call me good? Jesus answered.
                No one is good but God alone.&quot;</p>
              </blockquote>
            </blockquote>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <i>
        <p>Comment</i>: This appears to be a dead end for Trinitarians because
        Jesus seems to be not only distinguishing himself from God but also
        denying his own goodness. But is Jesus really denying anything here? He
        is only asking a question, and we should remember that Jesus was a
        masterful teacher and public speaker. He once called a woman a dog to
        challenge her faith. So we should peer into shocking or unexpected
        statements to see if there might be more to it.</p>
        <p>Let’s look at the whole passage. (Its parallel is in Matthew
        19:16-22). The rich young man asks what must he do to inherit eternal
        life. He opened it, probably without thinking, with merely a polite
        address – &quot;good teacher.&quot; Jesus stops at his polite address,
        seems to take exception to it, and then gets to the heart of his
        question by referring to the commandments – &quot;Do not murder, do
        not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not
        defraud, honor your father and mother.&quot;</p>
        <p>In this list from the Ten Commandments, however, something is
        conspicuously lacking. Can you tell what it is? Answer: Any commandment
        having to do with God. The commands Jesus cites all have to do with
        human-to-human relationships. The commandments for our relationship with
        God - forbidding other gods, graven images, using God’s name in vain
        and mandating a Sabbath day – commands which Jews would consider to be
        at least as important as the human-to-human commandments – are all
        missing.</p>
        <p>The rich young man insists that he has kept all the &quot;human&quot;
        commandments (if I could call them that), and Jesus doesn’t argue with
        him. But like his list, Jesus realizes that there is something lacking
        in this man’s life – a relationship with God. &quot;One thing you
        lack,&quot; Jesus said, &quot;go sell all that you have, give it to the
        poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.&quot;
        By challenging the man to give up all earthly attachments and to follow
        &quot;me,&quot; Jesus was filling a role in this man’s life that only
        God could fill. For Jesus, then, following him was the equivalent of
        living out the first and greatest of the Commandments. This usurping of
        honor due only to YHWH is another of Jesus’ blasphemies, albeit a
        subtle one. Once you realize it, though, it has the force of a
        thunderbolt, much like, &quot;before Abraham was, I AM.&quot; So what on
        the surface seems like Jesus denying his Godhood actually turns out to
        be another example of Jesus claiming the kind of honor and authority due
        only to YHWH.</p>
        <p>But then why does he ask, &quot;Why do you call me good?&quot; I don’t
        think he is denying his own goodness because in John 8:46 Jesus
        challenges the Pharisees, &quot;Can any of you prove me guilty of
        sin?&quot; (The obvious answer was no.) To the rich young man, I think
        Jesus was posing a question, or a challenge, intended to draw out of the
        man a confession of faith. It is like when Jesus asked his disciples,
        &quot;Who do the people say that I am?&quot; Do we think that Jesus was
        having an identity crisis and needed a straw poll to find out who he
        was? Of course not. Likewise, I can imagine Jesus looking intently at
        the man and with a quizzical look and an eliciting tone asking,
        &quot;Why do you call me good - when only God alone is good? [Therefore,
        I am ____.]&quot;</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <b>
            <p>John 10:33-36</b> &quot;We are not stoning you for any of
            these,&quot; replied the Jews, &quot;but for blasphemy, because you,
            a mere man, claim to be God.&quot; Jesus answered them, &quot;Is it
            not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’? If he
            called them ‘gods’ to whom the word of God came – and the
            Scripture cannot be broken – what about the one whom the Father
            set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you
            accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son.’&quot;</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <i>
        <p>Comment</i>: I would have cited this passage as a great support for
        Jesus as God – with a capital G – but I know that Witnesses use
        Jesus’ quotation of Scripture, ‘I said you are gods’ as the key to
        rendering Jesus’ claim to simply that he was just a god - small g. But
        is that what Jesus is saying, and just as importantly, what did the
        Scripture that Jesus quotes say? Let’s go back to it.</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <b>
            <p>Psalm 82:6</b> &quot;I said, ‘You are ‘gods’’; you are
            all sons of the Most High. But you will die like mere men; you will
            fall like every other ruler.&quot;</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <p>In this passage, the Psalmist is expressing the judgment of God upon
        the corrupt rulers and judges of Israel (&quot;God presides in the great
        assembly; he gives judgement among the ‘gods.’ verse 82:1.). These
        rulers have the power of life and death – the power of a god – over
        the weak and fatherless, the poor and the oppressed, and yet they
        pervert justice by defending the unjust and showing partiality to the
        wicked. Therefore, they will die like mere men, like every other ruler
        despite their god-like power.</p>
        <p>In this passage, then, the term ‘gods’ is spoken facetiously, not
        seriously. It is not a compliment, nor is it expressing a doctrine that
        men are gods.</p>
        <p>So then why does Jesus quote it?</p>
        <p>This is one of Jesus’ &quot;how much more&quot; kind of teachings.
        Another example is Matthew 7:11 &quot;If you, then, though you are evil
        know how to give good gifts to your children, <u>how much more</u> will
        your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!&quot;</p>
        <p>In this method of teaching, Jesus starts with a really bad example
        and <u>contrasts</u> it to the point he wants to make. In Matthew 7:11,
        Jesus is certainly not equating the Father to evil men, but contrasting
        the two. Likewise in our passage in John chapter 10. Jesus is not
        equating himself to the ‘gods’ spoken against in Psalm 82, but
        contrasting himself from them. He is saying, &quot;If Scripture can call
        corrupt, wicked rulers ‘gods,’ (who are no gods at all but mere men
        destined to die as such) <u>how much more</u> should the One whom the
        Father sent into the world call himself ‘God’s Son.’&quot;</p>
        <p>I really see this as the best way to understand this passage. If you
        don’t buy it, I’m curious as to what Jehovah’s Witnesses infer
        from this passage. Do Witnesses teach that men are gods? If not, then
        are there other gods out there that Jesus is just one of? If so, what
        other Scriptural support do you have for this position?</p>
        <p>And finally,</p>
        <blockquote>
          <blockquote>
            <b>
            <p>Matthew 24:36</b> &quot;No one knows about that day or hour, not
            even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.&quot;</p>
            <i>
            <p>Comment</i>: I’ll guess that Witnesses use this passage as an
            example that Jesus is not omniscient – he does not know all
            things, and therefore, he cannot be God. But Trinitarians have been
            aware of this verse for centuries and explain it either as one
            example of the things Jesus emptied himself of when he came to earth
            (based on the ‘emptying’ process of Philippians 2) or as an
            example of the different roles of the persons within the Trinity: it
            is the Father’s prerogative when to declare The End. Jesus
            certainly knows a lot about the Last Day since in Matthew chapters
            24 and 25 he speaks extensively about it. So he is not without
            knowledge of it; he just does not know the exact hour of its coming.</p>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
        <b>
        <p>Conclusion</p>
        </b>
        <p>In this paper I believe that I have established that:</p>
        <blockquote>
          <p>The attempt to distinguish between theos with and without the
          definite article totally falls apart under the whole text of the Greek
          New Testament. Not only is the Great God referred to in instances
          where there is no definite article (John 1:6, 12, 13, 18 and
          Philippians 2:6) but also Jesus is clearly referred to as God in
          instances which use the definite article (Hebrews 1:8, Acts 20:28,
          Titus 2:13, and Romans 9:5).</p>
          <p>The earliest creed of first century Greek-speaking Christians,
          &quot;Jesus is Lord,&quot; meant &quot;Jesus is Jehovah.&quot; There
          are three reasons for this: (1) The Greek translation of the Old
          Testament Scriptures used the word Lord (<u>kyrios)</u> when
          translating YHWH; (2) New Testament authors quoted OT Scriptures
          referring to YHWH and applied them to Jesus; and (3) It explains the
          blind fury of the unbelieving Jews who sought to excommunicate and
          even kill their fellow Jews who believed in Jesus. If first century
          believers were simply saying, &quot;Jesus is my master,&quot; that
          really would have been no big deal. There were many rabbis, teachers
          – masters - who had disciples (In Acts, Paul said that he was a
          student of the great Jewish rabbi Gamaliel.) No, something much more
          intense was involved in this expression, &quot;Jesus is Lord&quot; –
          something warranting death since for a Jew it was the ultimate
          blasphemy.</p>
          <p>The strength of the first two points and the &quot;emptying&quot;
          of Jesus’ glory during his earthly life (as explained in Philippians
          2) should influence our interpretation of passages raising questions
          about Jesus’ equality with the Father. Moreover, some of the
          passages which seem on the surface to dispute the equality of Jesus
          and the Father are actually powerful indicators of Jesus’ claim to
          be God – capital G - when studied more closely (Mark 10:18 and John
          10:33).</p>
        </blockquote>
        <p>The doctrine of the Trinity was developed by the early church (and
        formalized into written creeds by the fourth century) as a way to
        reconcile <u>all</u> of Scripture which shows not only that Jesus is God
        (even Jehovah) but also that Jesus calls the Father, &quot;his
        God,&quot; that he was sent &quot;from God,&quot; and that he stands
        &quot;at the right hand&quot; of God. But the Father, Jesus, and the
        Holy Spirit are in essence – substance - One God. Christianity is a
        monotheistic religion.</p>
        <p>Having said all this, I will admit that the Trinity is a difficult
        doctrine. It still seems like a contradiction: How can three persons be
        different and yet be one and the same? Moreover, why should the Eternal
        God, Jehovah, exist as three persons – why not four or five or why not
        just one? I take comfort in the fact that if there is to be a mystery in
        the Bible why shouldn’t it be about the nature of God? If the three
        pounds of gray matter between my ears could fully understand God, would
        it really be God? Therefore, I believe in the Trinity because an honest
        reading of all of Scripture leads me to it, not because I fully
        understand it.</p>
        <p>Having finished my defense of the Trinity, I think the challenge to
        Jehovah’s Witnesses is twofold:</p>
        <blockquote>
          <ul>
            <li>Can they agree with the earliest Christians and say, &quot;Jesus is
          Jehovah&quot;? And,</li>
            <li>Do they honor the Son &quot;just as&quot; they honor the Father
          (John 5:23)?</li>
          </ul>
        </blockquote>
        <p>If they don’t, or won’t, then as Jesus said, they don’t honor
        the Father who sent him.</blockquote><!--DEBUG NotifyLocal 1 [Why I Believe in the Trinity] [13]-->
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